Milk Diets and Dairy Weight Loss: Lay it to Rest

Well, I know that full cream milk is 50% calories from fat, and even skim milk is 30% calories from fat (source: food.com.au database).

As far as I'm concerned, you may as well pour oil down your throat and straight onto your hips.

Celebrities have vested interests. So does, quite obviously, the dairy industry. But independent studies again and again either find no link between dairy consumption and weight loss (if that's what they're looking for), or find a direct link between weight *gain* and dairy consumption, if the aim of the research is more open.

Americans get approximately 30% of their total calories from dairy foods, on average. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to work out that you're going to lose substantial amounts of weight if you cut out that 30%.

But you also don't have to be a rocket scientist to work out that the dairy industry will be a lot poorer if people stop consuming dairy at current rates, hence the dairy industry-funded research suggesting that dairy will cause you to lose weight. In short, it's publicity with the goal ofgetting people to buy more product.

Uh, skim milk doesn't have any fat...all the calories in it are from the milk proteins and lactose sugars. I think it's a good idea to get 2-3 servings of dairy a day because it's a good complete food and it gives you calcium, among many other nutrients. I wouldn't use it as a weight loss plan though.

I really can't believe how the dairy industry are able to keep on peddling these lies to the masses.

Well, I can actually - money.

But I cannot believe that they are allowed to by Governments around the Western world!

Oh, yes, again I can actually - money.

It really makes my blood boil. There is such little research out there that IS NOT FUNDED BY THE DAIRY INDUSTRY that actually provides evidence that milk is anything other than damaging to the human body - yet they are able to quote their own research (that is not biased one little bit, honest) to keep on pumping out lies.

Lets face it - the world is getting more health conscious and more health savvy and the dairy industry is going to struggle to maintain sales unless it takes some pretty drastic measures. I think that this series of adverts is the first in a long line of messages that will become less and less truthful as people begin to realise that milk should not be seen as a healthy product and should be restricted in our diets.

Rant over ;)

For more info I would check out http://www.strongbones.org/ and http://www.pcrm.org/health/veginfo/dairy.html

There is a problem with our milk though. Our milk os pasturized and homogenized, both which damages the nutrients in the milk and may even clog your arteries.

I think they need to find a way to promote safe, raw milk to the public so that they can get the true benefits of drinking milk. Pasturized milk causes autism and ADHD, as well as type I diabetes.

Some studies do show that low fat and no fat dairy that seems to help with weight loss. Some powdered milks have less calories than store bought skim milk. My brand has ten less calories per serving. Over time that can really add up.

PS
Vegan’s can get a dairy substitute with store bought Rice and Soy milk.

Headline: "Cows Suffer Under Corporatocracy"

Subtitle: "Meanwhile, its human citizens remain perplexed by simultaneous health-related travesties."

Interestingly enough, Mama cows produce milk for Jr. cows (not for Ben or Jerry).

Ha ha Jen.

Eat leafy green veg, plenty of nuts, get 20 minutes in the sun, and do resistance training. That's calcium and Vitamin D met, and osteoporosis (hopefully) taken care of.

Without getting hysterical over it - Ross is right. This is about money. Trying to find a link between dairy and weight loss is a lost cause.

These studies always seemed bogus to me, especially when they were trying to pin the extra weight loss on the calcium content of milk(!)

If someone changes their diet to REPLACE (say) a chocolate bar with their lunch with a LOW-FAT yoghurt, they have reduced their calorie intake which will help weight loss.

This does not mean that if everyone else ADDS an extra yoghurt or glass of milk to their lunch that they will therefore lose weight.

I read in a few places that milk does not help with calcium... in fact apparently it has the opposite effect on bones. Not sure about the merit of this claim BUT I'm perfectly ok believing that.
I hate milk, there's just something really gross about drinking it... like pasteurizing the milk of some random baby's mom and having it with your cereal.
I have never been a big fan of milk, not even as a child, and yet there's nothing wrong with my bones. I've yet to break one in fact. I get enough calcium through protein sources. Also, milk has a weird bloaty effect on me these days as does all dairy. I don' like feeling like a baby whale.

I always did find it fishy that the Dairy Industry funded the research behind the calcium/weight loss study.

did I say prorein? because I meant plant. It's too early in the morning to be thinking.

I am living proof that dairy makes you gain weight and not lose weight. When I cut out my dairy I noticed a huge change right away. I have also cut calories and am taking mega doses of vitamins, but the dairy has always kept me from losing weight over the years.
I think it's a money making scam from the dairy industry to claim that it helps with weight loss.

Quick! Run! Something has fat in it! No actual acience to back up the fear of fat! Just a whole bunch of pseudo science!

But everyone told me fat was bad! So that proves it!! Why would the government and many large corporations lie to me ??

http://www.theomnivore.com/Saturated%20fat%20and%20cholesterol.html

Will this crap never end? Eat this and you'll get thin, eat that and you'll get thin...........UH! They need to stop this RAT RACE and find a REAL solution!

I also doubt that calcium promotes weight loss. However, I am in the camp that nonfat to lowfat dairy do have a place in a healthy diet. Nonfat Milk and Nonfat cottage cheese are outstanding sources of high quality protein that pack a nutricional wallop for the amount of calories consumed.

To be honest, I also cut out dairy when I try to lower my calories but I can not see the harm in lowfat and nonfat dairy (in moderation of course) in a maintanance phase.

Milk might help you loose weight if you are lactose intolerant.

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Milk is not bad for you in moderation. Low fat or skim products are low in fat and calories. Just don't think that its o.k. to drink a hole gallon at a time. I have never heard of researh saying that milk is actualy bad for you,or harmful(other than high fat will raise chol.)
When you look at it from the perspective of replacing a candy bar with yogurt yes you will lose wieght. If you replaced a candy bar with a piece of fruit you would lose wieght also. whares the researh for all fruit diets?

Milk has never been good for us. The only reason the government pushed milk in the early 1900s was because at that time milk was the MAIN source of calcium. As this is no longer the case (calcium is everywhere now it seems), milk should be removed. Milk is high in fat and nutrients for 'babies,' not people. Just because, some people do not get fat from drinking it means nothing. Some people smoke their entire lives with no ill effect. Does that prove the goodness of tobacco??

Got Milk? ahould really be Got Heart Disease???

That's true- milk is for babies, not as much for adults. Soy milk, on the other hand, is MUCH better for you. You can easily find no saturated/trans fat brands that taste great. Make sure you drink it in moderation (it can be binding).

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Some folks feel weird drinking soy milk, but it has caught on big time.

The latest research says that soy is harmful - especially for babies. Now that soy based products are becoming big business I'm sure we will end up in a similar debate over the results of research studies funded by the soy industry.

People should just eat a low calorie diet that includes a wide variety of foods and stop worrying so much.

Milk in high doses and full fat would be bad for you, as all foods in large quantities would! The trick is to have the "balanced" diet.

As someone who has weight-trained for the past 12 years I understand how important some diary products have been. Milk doesn't agree with everybody, but then bread doesn't agree with me, although I don't see any studies against bread yet.

If people want to lose weight drinking more milk won't help, nor will eating more vegetables, drinking more water or anything else, unless other elements are cut down first. As someone has previously pointed out, substituting a piece of fruit for a chocolate bar will help with weight loss - this mentality needs to be used across the whole of your diet, see what can be changed and ensure your diet is full of goodness. Additionally get more active, the benefits associated with good health and fitness are just as good as the visual appearance of weightloss.

most male farmers,seem to keep body fat low into old age.while females seem to gain.anyone got a thought there?but i like milk.

I find dairy to be extremely useful in losing fat, but only because it controls my appetite well. This goes for whole milk, butter, cream, and cheese. If I need to get really serious though, I skip the milk. However, when trying to put on muscle, milk is invaluable. Milk contains lactose, the best carbohydrate for putting on muscle.

Certified raw whole milk from grass-fed cows, local organic produce, sprouted organically grown grains, wild salmon, grass-fed beef and buffalo, eggs from pastured chickens, exercise that's fun, a good love life, and friends. Listen to your body as it's much wiser than your conscious mind, have or get work you love, and life is good. Happiness is easy if you keep it simple and be yourself, and forget self-improvement, it's a depressing and malignant idea. A good diet has nothing to do with self-improvement it's simply a matter of commonsense. Love yourself and forget the self-improvement nonsense, but be yourself and if you can't, find out why not and let the barrier whither away.

Leanne said:
Well, I know that full cream milk is 50% calories from fat, and even skim milk is 30% calories from fat (source: food.com.au database). [...]

Are you high?? Skim Milk is fat free it contains no fat- how could 30% of its calories come from fat???

Use your freakin brain!

I agree with Stanley. No type of milk should be consumed by adults, as milk is specifically designed to assist in the growth and development of the young. Cow's milk has significantly many more growth factors and hormones because it is geared towards a calf, which needs to become much larger in a relatively short period of time to survive. Exogenous factors that are not natural for us will probably be carcinogenic, or at least mutagenic, including cow's milk, which is linked to numerous health complications - heart disease, arthritis, osteoporosis (yes, it's bad for your bones, too), cancer, et cetera. Any positive experiences one has from consuming dairy are probably in spite of its consumption and due to some indirect cause (e.g. appetite suppression or a severe calcium deficiency). Regardless, don't consume dairy!

Everybody is an expert here, it seems. Despite eating cheese, yogurt and ice cream and drinking milk, all on a daily basis, I have lost oodles of weight, and kept it off for a long time. And not on any low-carb, caveman, zone, or other media-pumped fad diet.

How then? Exercising intensely less than 20 minutes, three times a week, getting my zzzs, and eating lightly during the day. Half a bagel first thing in the morning with coffee, fruit or veggie juice before lunch, yogurt for lunch and maybe some hard-boiled eggs or nuts in the afternoon. I don`t have time to eat much at work, and anyway, my energy levels take a dive after eating too much during the day, so I just don't do it. I pig out at night on whatever I like. Although I tend to eat a lot of healthy stuff, I don't restrict my meats to lean cuts, I eat lots of meat, pasta, fish and veggies, and tend to eat a 250ml container of ice-cream or fresh fruit before bed, more often than any pseudo-expert here would have you believe is healthy or rational. I'm 37, can see my abs, and muscles, and have just been given the cleanest bill of health since I was in my teens. I also get sick half as often as I used to.

I sometimes feel my stomach rumble in the day, but I enjoy overcoming these urges to eat. It gives me confidence to know that I can control certain aspects of my body.

Why does it work? Although I don't count them, I'm probably consuming quite a few calories less than I would if I ate 3 square meals, or six mini-meals a day, and that is the bottom line. I also have much more energy to expend during the day, not being weighed down by my digestive system, which leads to me being more active. Best of all, I have the energy to take care of and enjoy my time with my 2 pre-schoolers, everyday after I get home from work. I used to always be tired and in a bad mood at that time of day.

Exercise and eat less! If you can't control your eating, then THAT is your problem, and you need to deal with it first and foremost. Once more, you need to deal with how much you eat, and do it now!

Use your common sense! There is no milk conspiracy, just conspiracy theorists. There is no magic bullet for losing weight and keeping it off. Except, that is, self-discipline. Get it and reap the benifits!

What's the name of the (only) spiecie who forsefully feeds on other spiecie's milk ? not that hard to guess, is it ? keep your opinions how healthy the milk is, it is your choice, leave those who gave it up alone.
Go to slater house see where your milk comes from. You think you drink something good ? You drink suffering and pain. Cheers, watch your bones as you get older you will regret suporting greedy mindless milk industry.
Why do not drink your wife's or your own milk ? is it not healthier then ? Oh I forgot your wife or you would have to be constantly pregnent. That would not be fun, would it ?
It is only animal right ? and who are you ?
Most inteligent spiecie. Try again.

Jerenome doesn't know what he is talking about. It's the same type of drivel that animal rights people and vegans spout all the time. Anyone who knows anything about the dairy industry knows that your cows have to be kept well fed, relaxed and unstressed as possible for maximum production. Stressed and nervous cows do not produce. A dairy farmer who inflicts "suffering and pain" on his animals will not be in business very long. As to whether dairy aids or hinders weight loss, I don't know. There is too much personal opinion, much of it unfounded. My personal maxim is "everything in moderation" and things will be okay.

Why is it that I know many seniors who lived on farms all their lives, ate only home grown foods and drank fresh cow's milk and lived healthy happy lives into their 90s and 100s. Can you say that about anyone in this "modern" day we live in? NO - we are too obsessed with ourselves and and have to ingest manmade chemicals to live "BETTER". Get back to the earth folks - work hard and live simply and you will NOT have any problems.

Why is it that so many people who make a living as diet gurus give such bad advice? Answer: half the time they do not know what they are talking about!

There is scientific reasearch that shows that it is not just calcium, but dairy products themselves that effectively help people loose more weight.
http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20040416/dairy-foods-fat-weight-loss.

Sure, dairy products are not good for everyone, but neither is peanut butter or wheat (whey allergies).

I followed the low-fat diet for years and just like diet gurus told me. Like most other people who trie that diet, I gained weight instead of loosing it. Eating low fat food full of carbohydrates put weight on me. Later I found that cutting down on carbohydrates helped me to loose weight.

Amd I found through personal experience that dairy products do help me loose weight.

Another thing, why do they tell us to avoid food with cholesterol because it will give us high cholesterol? Does eating fruit make me a fruit? Does eating fish make me grow scales? Does eating nuts make me a nut? Of course not and the same thing goes for cholesterol.

If you want to loose weight do not listen to the so-called diet gurus that make their living off of us being fat. Eat fewer carbohydrates but do not go to extremes like the adkins diet. Exercise. Eat dairy products, fruits, leafy green vegtables, nuts (they have the good kind of fat so no worries there) and meat. Replace candy and junk food with fruit and you will loose weight. Eat junk food, cake, and pie on occasion, but do it in moderation.

Here is a tip for when you sit down to a holiday meal. Eat foods low in carbohydrates during the main course but avoid bread, rice, potatoes, and pasta. Then get some dessert, not a whole plateful, but anything you want in moderation. You will then have eaten the normal amount of carbohydrates for a meal.

BTW, there is such a thing as good and bad carbohydrates. It can help you if you eat wisely and remember to avoid extremes.

With weight losss there is no single magic bullet. Some of the most overweight people in the world excersice very rigerously. Just look at football linemen and sumo wresters! They exercise constantly, but are still overweight.