Good Vibrations

Hi Mark

www.vibramover.com

Greg

I never really had hamstring issues...UNTIL I started vibration training. Very Frustrating.

Kat , are you contracting your muscles while on the plate ?

What are the hz numbers for therapy only and what are the hz numbers for training? Where should a beginner start and how gradually should he increase the rate?

Thanks

Hi Lloyd;

i would just like to refer back to one of your earlier comments about not having your hands flat whilst using a vibrating machine, how then are you supposed to hold yourself in the half way press up possition you recommended in another of your previous comments ?

If it is on your fingertips then i will be struggling ?

Many Thanks.

Bob , i was just refering to the tricep pose.

Kris , that depends totally on the machine you are using, and if you have access to more than one type.

Do you have any place where one can go and see peoples
good news stories from using Vibration therapy
At this stage for me I have mostly seen manufacturers telling us results people have gotten or should get

Thanks

Greg

I am considering purchase of a Pro Ellixe. I have Lupus and have tried the machine. It really helps with my inflamed, sore joints and muscles.

This is the only type of machine I have had access to and I know I am able to tolerate. Any advice (good or bad)? Does any one have any experienc with this machine - re: dependability. It is a major investment any response appreciated.
Thanks,
Sue

I want to buy either a Hypergravity Platform or a Power Plate, but am having a hard time trying to decide which, and can't find anyone to sell the Hypergravity. Please someone help me decide

Dorothy, I don't know where you live but you can go here:
http://www.hypergravity.net/Buy.html

You have to be carefull of testimonials with Vibration Training equipment sales companies. Vibro-Gym over here are offering prizes and give-aways for them. VERY DODGY.

Lloyd,
i am a bit confused about your response(thank you by the way) to my comment that I never had hamstring issues until I started with vibration training. Does not the vibrations automatically cause my hamstrings to contract involuntarily? Should I be doing movements "dynamically"?

Hi Dorothy,

To purchase a Hypergravity machine, you can call directly @ 714.553.7785 or you can go to our new site, www.wholebodyvibes.com, for more info.

Christopher
Sales Manager
Hypergravity Fit.N.Flex

No my point was going to be the opposite. Make sure you relax during your stretches. If you put too much pressure on the muscle by "trying " to stretch , you will stop the muchine from working.

As Posted Earlier. I am considering purchase of a Pro Ellixe. I have Lupus and have tried the machine. It really helps with my inflamed, sore joints and muscles.

This is the only type of machine I have had access to and I know I am able to tolerate. Any advice (good or bad)? Does any one have any experience with this machine - re: dependability. Any suggestions for a similar machine available in Canada. Please - It is a major investment any response appreciated.
Thanks,
Sue

Hi Lloyd,

Could you please tell me then what machine you would recommend for commercial use. I have been researching power plates and have just read up on Vibro-gym. They are very expensive but that has not put me off as yet. What machines do you use in NZ?

Thanks
Kelly

How heavy a commercial use ? We have our own factory and range now ( 5 models ) , as the best units we could find had massive breakdown rates , a lifespan of only 32 years , and limitations on its load of 140kgs. Which i considered an oxymoron for a weight loss studio.

This is ok though for the proffesional market ( gyms , physios etc..) .

As far as I know we are the only company producing units of this quality , but we only sell to licensed Vibra-Train studios. Check out ouw website for more info www.vibra-train.com. Our forum also has a peice to help independents to make the right choice. Hope this helps.

I meant 2 years lifespan , would have no prob with 32. Gee i wish.

Thanks for nothing.

Sue, if you refer back to page 1 in this discussion you will find the following response by Lloyd:

LLoyd Shaw

May 1, 2006 08:31 AM

The Pro-Ellixe is a good home/professional unit , and a good way to get into vibration therapy. But i would not consider it a Vibration Training model.

The price though would put me off as you outgrow these units very quickly if used as a training tool. So far no-one has produced a home unit i would endorse. Sorry guys.
But most of the lighter units are great fo pain reduction, flexability , pelvic stability , incontinance and ostoeporosis.

He has since commented positively on the Hypergravity as a good home version for training (and I assume it can also be used for therapy). Remember, there is a difference between therapy and training. If you are only using it for therapy then you may not need to move up to something else later. Hope that helps.

Lloyd, I'm looking at running a few at a gym possibly up to 24 people doing up to 20 minute sessions each per day. This is just for one machine. Do you know what the general life expectancy of the Power Plate Next Generation is? or the Vibra-gym. I will take a look at your website. Thanks for the info.
Kelly

Nadine,
Using it 10 minutes a day for cellulit, what position(s)
The sitting cellulite massage?
Thanks

My experience of the Power-Plate NG was about 3 weeks before servicing was required at studio pace ( no i am not joking ). If you go onto my website and forum you will also see other studio owners having the same issues. Including an actual Power-Plate studios.

The Vibro-Gym has gone from good-bad-good. We had one good shipment that is still running ( 10 units ). But the next shipment ( 15 units ) had massive problems. The next shipment had similar probs, but i got them fixed, since then I havnt purchased any. But if i did , i would ONLY go through THE FITNESS LOUNGE in LONDON ( or Power-Products Global ). This is run by Kevin Barclay-Webb whom fixed my problems for me when Vibro-Gym Int. ignored me and my request for the warranties to be up-held.

Vibro-Gyms own news letter ( on my forum ) states the life expectancy to be about 2 years.

I also trust Fit-Vibe ( Fit-Vibe Excel Pro , Gymna-Uniphy ) they have very high standards.

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Jim

October 3, 2005 02:04 AM

I stand corrected. However I still don't get the 800 pound squat comment.
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This comes from the fact that because you are standing on a plate that vibrates at 25-50 times per second in 3 directions, gravity is actually increased due to the principle of force ie force = mass x acceleration.

I'm no expert but have done a fair bit of training since we recently opened our power-plate studio in west end, london. If you want to find out for yourself how well it works give me a call at the number on my website and I'll be happy to give you a free 25min class anytime in the next 2 weeks. unfortunately the email is down at the moment due to teething problems so if you wish to email you can at mr. richo AT gmail dot com. if you want further techy info you can email me too if you wish.
Cheers and all the best of health!
Rich

Rich.....
Do you understand that 3D movement in Vibration Training is not safe. It creats shearing on the joints which is not recommended by any Physio long term.

It will create more problems than it solves.

That is why companies like Gymna-Uniphy has spent considerable time making sure its new model , has only Lineal movement. Keep in mind they are a respected medical/physio equipment manufacturer.

If you know something we dont , please share.

"That is why companies like Gymna-Uniphy has spent considerable time making sure its new model , has only Lineal movement."

Lloyd, Then is the Hypergravity personal trainer a lineal movement only?

Thanks,

Yes , it is my understanding it is , but i havnt had independent tests done on a unit yet.

They use a similar isolation system to the Vibro-Gym which is Lineal which i have had tested. And they passed.

We have a situation here in N.Z. that is causing me concern. And I believe the probem will spread. So i will address it now and hopefully put a stop to it. A Vibration studio network is being sold here that is using a light Vibration Therapy model from Korea. Now this in itself is not bad as i want more gyms to utilize this technology , and as i dont sell my equipment , they must buy others. But they are signing people up to memberships under the guise that it is Vibration Exercise . "And that all machines do the same thing". The machine is being touted as having " no limits "

They are also claiming that their trainers are the only "fully qualified " trainers around. This is an outright lie, as no independent curriculum exists for Vibration/Therapy worldwide.

If anybody out there has signed up to a membership program under these faulse pretenses. I will gladly supply you with details to contradict those statements, to get out of any contract you may have signed.

And i will go to court for you.

Dear Lloyd Shaw

I used Fitvibe Excel Pro and i can tell that is a very good machine but i also used the galileo sport and it was very good too.So If you had to choose between fitvibe and galileo sport, which one would be your swlwction ?

You can not choose between the two.

Galileo Sport is Pivital

Fit-Vibe is Lineal

They have opposing resposes . What do you need it for ?

Hi, thanks everyone for the very useful debate here, I have learned lots and made my decision. I now want to purchase a Hypergravity machine for home use, but the question is, where can I get that in the UK? I've been through all the messages again and I've not found anything about UK-based suppliers. Many thanks in advance for the help!
Laura

Laura, you might start with this contact for general inquiries:

contact@wholebodyvibes.com

If you do wind up purchasing a hypergravity please let us know how you like it!!

Thanks Kris, I have sent them an email last night and hopefullly I'll find out soon. What's the difference though between the company at www.wholebodyvibes.com and that at www.hypergravity.net?? Web sites are very different (first much more professional-looking) and contacts are also different but the products appear to be the same...I'm perplexed!
Anyway, I'll keep you posted!
Thanks much, Laura

If anybody is intrested in more information about the differences between the vertical system (powerplate) and tilting vibration (maxuvibe) the can contact me no problem just go the website and send an email to me at info@maxuvibe.com

But i can tell you now for 100% sure there is not a single vertical system in the world that meets the effect of tilting vibration the original vibration devices as they have been developed by the spaceprograms of russia.

Hi,

I am in the process of setting up a weight and life style disease management center. I would appreciate if anybody could help me make a choice out of Galelio and turbosonic. please explain why the machine you choose is better. This could mean a lot to me because I have never used any WBV machine. I an really counting on your opinion.

Thanks,
Doc

Doc..
If you would like my help you will need to be far more specific surrounding your expectations of the units.

Peter is right no-one should ever try to compare the effects of Vertical vs Pivital.

And Power-Plate is not true vertical. Its meant to be but it turned our 3D in tests.

Thanks Lloyd for the prompt answer. I am a fitness and sports medicine specialist. I am coming up with a concept where we are going to manage weight and life style diseases like diabetes, hytertension etc..

In the program we are goin to use a combination of diet, psychological counseling, recovery methods and and the exercise part needs to be covered by WBV. As we are planning to set up a 100 centers in the future, it is critical to go for the correct machine.
We want to help people with weight loss and life style diseases, and we are not going to be into sport specific training. I do not want to injure any of the clients. So this is very critical, as it is the primary ethic for a medical doctor.
I am still researching and would really appreciate your inputs regarding my concerns.

Please specify which machine to go for.

Sonic, vertical or horizontal?

Regards,
Doc

Hi Lloyd, my father has just purchased a Power-plate personal for the family and after reading this page I am concerned that it may do us harm?! Is there any reason for me to be alarmed at this stage or would you say that the unit is safe for using 2-3 times a week for 15 mins as they say. I hopped on it for the first time today and felt my brain rattling against my cranium and my teeth sounding like a machine gun hah! Really enjoyed the massage it gave my lower back though which hasn't seen as much love as when a little chinese lady stepped on it a while ago...

My advice would be to do it with Vertical(Lineal) vibration pad if you are planning to work with the clinically obese. You need to have a unit designed for that.

Go to www.wavexercise.com