Rosedale Diet - Another Low Carb Diet?

Rosedale metabolics is gone, no word on what happened to Dr. Rosedale, anyone know, it seems a mystery?

Just about to start diet but where do you get manna bread I live in the uk and some of the other items req i have not heard of so help please x

I am the Suzi from this thread, in December. As of this writing I am 55 years old and I weigh 115 lbs, after having peaked at 163.5. I have maintained this weight for about three months now, and I am thrilled. I know for me that I have left the yo-yo dieting behind. I look better now than I ever did, even in high school. So, yes. I believe that Dr. Rosedale had exactly what I needed. I really relate to the women that are discouraged, thinking that it is impossible to ever lose that weight, no matter what you do.
I do recommend that you follow the supplement regimen if at all possible. I immediately lost my cravings, and they have not returned, and my skin glows.
Let me share one more new thing with me. I think we all have some pretty automatic ways of thinking, and when I was fat, I might see someone and think he was attractive. Right away an inner voice would say, "Get real, have you looked in a mirror lately?" The other day I had the same train of thought, but this voice was answered by a new one that said "Actually, I have looked in a mirror lately, and I look great." If that can happen to me, it can happen to you. It is not like me to be positive about myself.
So, give yourselves a chance. Try this, truly, what do you have to lose?
And I want to add I am wearing size 4 clothes, so, as hard as this is to say, I am not talking about "inner beauty", I really look great. (I know we are not supposed to say those things about ourselves, but there it is.)

I am the Suzi from this thread, in December. As of this writing I am 55 years old and I weigh 115 lbs, after having peaked at 163.5. I have maintained this weight for about three months now, and I am thrilled. I know for me that I have left the yo-yo dieting behind. I look better now than I ever did, even in high school. So, yes. I believe that Dr. Rosedale had exactly what I needed. I really relate to the women that are discouraged, thinking that it is impossible to ever lose that weight, no matter what you do.
I do recommend that you follow the supplement regimen if at all possible. I immediately lost my cravings, and they have not returned, and my skin glows.
Let me share one more new thing with me. I think we all have some pretty automatic ways of thinking, and when I was fat, I might see someone and think he was attractive. Right away an inner voice would say, "Get real, have you looked in a mirror lately?" The other day I had the same train of thought, but this voice was answered by a new one that said "Actually, I have looked in a mirror lately, and I look great." If that can happen to me, it can happen to you. It is not like me to be positive about myself.
So, give yourselves a chance. Try this, truly, what do you have to lose?
And I want to add I am wearing size 4 clothes, so, as hard as this is to say, I am not talking about "inner beauty", I really look great. (I know we are not supposed to say those things about ourselves, but there it is.)

Does anyone know what happened to Ron Rosedale? I tried to contact his office....they are gone. Is he really just another hoax?

Another thing, this diet almost seems impossible, for two reasons.......we live in a fast paced society, and also it seems like it is only for the rich. Anyone that can help put this in perspective for me. I have been studying this real hard, but am trying to understand everything. Where do most of the calories come from, just a salad? And how much does one need to consume. Also I like to bike, but it seems to me that a person should then consume more carbs. After all, Ron even points out that if you eat carbs, go out and exercise.

Hi, Steve ~

No, Dr. Rosedale isn't a "hoax". If you study his work (many of his educational presentations to medical conventions are published on the web) you will see that he is a brilliant metabolic doctor devoted to the larger picture. His goal is to eliminate Diabetes 2 from our country within his lifetime...no small feat!

You don't need Dr. Rosedale to sell you the supplements he has recommended, or the ones he has formulated, and the plan is very well delineated and easy to follow if you're motivated. I suggest that anyone just follow the recommendations and see how you feel after 3 weeks. All I know is that the information has changed my life!

Smiles,
Carol

Carol;

Thanks for the encouragement. That is where I am putting this on hold for awhile. I am 43 and was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes at around 27. Never really that overweight and younger, I have always wondered about the possibility of me being type 1 or not. Nonetheless, I tried the diet for about 5 days, and became progressively weaker, until yesterday....I slept 12 hours. Prior to this, I would get fatigued, but not has bad. So in the meantime, I am sticking with parts of his diet, and am going to wait for my test results. Then I can make better more well informed decisions. I take it you mean that he is trying to eliminate type 2 diabetes, when you say diabetes 2. Do you take Rosedale's supplements. And also; do you know what happened to his company? These are the reasons I wondered if he was a hoax or not. Thanks Carol, hope to hear from you soon.

Hi. I am new to Rosedale Diet. Today is my first day. Is there any one that could please clear up a few things for me.

#1. In the "homemade may", do you use a RAW egg, or cooked?

#2. The recipes in the book appear to have ingredients not allowed for the first 3 weeks, am I right?

#3. Does anyone have any suggestions for salad dressing? I tried mixing the olive oil, red wine vinegar, dijon mustard and splenda for lunch ... tasts like xyxo! Not much chance I'll be eating salad today.

#4. I broke down this morning and had a cup of maxwell house coffee . . . How bad is that? Must I really give it up for 3 weeks.

#5. Any other words of wisdom would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Sorry.

My #1 question above has to do with "homemade mayonnaise".
Thanks.

Susie;

I am new to this to. I had to drop parts of it.....to weak....this is why I am waiting for the proper test results. I wish you luck on this diet. I picked up a recipe on the internet. 2 egg yolks, 1 egg white, beat them in a food processor. Gradually add oil, in small amounts, continue to beat. Then add, some ground pepper to your taste. Amount of oil to add is 2 cups, of olive oil, if you don't like olive, then he suggests canola oil, acceptable, and a little less pricey. Also, then add juice of two lemons, and walla, you have homemade mayo. Unfortunately, some of this schtuff could get a little pricey, this is why I wonder if only the rich can truly afford this. Not to sound negative, but generally, many diabetics, have a hard time getting health care nowadays, hence the negative attitiude. But I am trying to remain upbeat, as my wife and I do run a fine childcare center. Good luck to you.

Hi Steve:

Thanks the recipe and input. Yea, it is expensive if you're like me and already sliding behind in bills. I have a rare "condition" called DERMATOMYOSITIS, my particular problem isn't that I can't get health care, it's that the health "care" that doctor is trying to push down my throat is large doses of Predisone in an 'ATTEMPT' to manage my "condition". Medically, I think we're all screwed, and just have to attmept to "doctor" ourselves. That's why I am trying this diet. My next step is the Prednisone, if the diet doesn't work. thanks.

This doesn't look like such a bad diet. There are a lot of good reasons why this would work. The author says to not watch calories. I don't know if this is the greatest recommendation, but there is something to it. The thing about dietary fat is it helps you feel fuller, regulating how much you eat. It also aids production of hormones like testosterone, which helps in both losing fat and gaining muscle. I keep a jar of peanut butter at home and at the office.

Green vegetables and protein are hard to attack, but the total elimination of starchy carbs worries me a bit. We all know that exercise will help you lose weight. However, it's also been shown time and time again that a combination of cardio and weight training is far more effective than either one of them alone. This is where the problem is. In order to get the most out of weight training, you need carbs to fill your glycogen stores. Plus, even the worst of diabetics don't seem to have a problem with starches like sweet potatoes, yams, or any grain in its whole form (not bread) in small amounts.

We seem to be getting awfully aggressive against carbs these days. However, there is indeed something to any low-carb diet. Having more proteins and fats gives you a metabolic and hormonal advantage. Eliminating starches altogether is a little much though. I, personally, follow a diet like this until my glycogen stores are getting low. Then, I eat carbs with my meals until my muscles pump back up.

I give it a thumbs up under two conditions: 1) if you're still gaining weight on this diet, start counting calories 2) if you're doing weight training and it seems overly difficult or you're not making progress, try adding in some starches and see what happens.

Ryan;

You have good points. Sometimes we stress out to much, especially me, because a dr. thought I may be a type 1 diabetic after all of these years. Now I have to do some figuring after all. But I like your points.....no doctor, knows everything. Good luck.

If anyone else has gotten very weak off the Rosedale Diet, please let me know. I thought that this would help me get progressively stronger, but in 5 days, I practically went into a real "brain fuzz", and slept way to much. Anyone else have this problem? I am a slightly overweight, type 2 diabetic, finding out if I am a type 1.5, therefore, I may have to make further adjustments.

You might be out of glycogen (stored sugar). Are your muscles flatter? Do you have a harder time contracting them strongly? Remember, your brain runs purely on sugar. You could try eating a yam or a bowl of unsweetened oatmeal.

Steve, I felt a little weak the first week also, but think it was due to my reduced coffee intake. Decreasing coffee/caffeine will leave you tired until your body adjusts. I would recommend not eating a yam or bowl of oatmeal, as suggested above, for that will blow the diet.

Having said that, let me add my comments about this diet. I am 51 years old, female, and had almost reached the point of giving up on losing 10-15 extra pounds and conquering my food cravings and being hungry all the time. At various points along the way I thought I had found the IT diet or remedy, first Atkins, then chromium supplements, and many others. I was always left hungry and would regain any weight lost. I hesitate to say it, but after only 10 days I now truly believe that Rosedale is the IT diet. I have completely lost hunger and food cravings, and though I don't weigh myself, I can tell from my waistbands that I have lost about 2 inches from my waist already. I only wish I had discovered this years ago. Rosedale seems to have figured it out, and I have no doubt I will stick with this and lose another 10 pounds or more. The other thing about this diet is I feel calmer and happier. It must be affecting brain chemistry.

Here is a recipe I just love, based on the nutola in his book. I don't bother to roast the nuts - too much work. I just put a few pecans, pine nuts, cashews, almonds, and blueberries in a small bowl and sprinkle with about a teaspoon of cinnamon. Then I pour just a little heavy cream over the mixture. It is a great breakfast or snack. I use the heavy cream because it contains fewer milk proteins, just fat, which is what we are after on this diet.

The cinnamon is for taste and improving blood sugar levels - I think it has a chemical that makes cells more responsive to insulin. This has been proven and I believe cinammon is recommended to diabetics now.

The book does not get into it but the Rosedale diet is a Ketogenic diet. It is the most healthy one that I've seen. In a ketogenic diet you avoid introducing sugar or anything that converts to sugar in your body so that you can use the fat you eat as fuel. In the case of the Rosedale diet all these fats are good fats.

Your body will not do this if you are in sugar fueled mode (how most people create energy). This is why it is so important on this diet to not eat anything on the bad list of foods. He allows a small amount of blueberries because their anti-occident effect is worth the short time they may knock you out of ketosis. The book also mentions that if you eat too much meat it will be converted into sugar. The reason he stresses not eating too much meat is because the avoidance of sugar is key in any ketogenic diet.

I hope this helps fill in any gaps in the book. Once you know the details about how any ketogenic diet works you'll see that Dr. Rosedale is not just making you jump through hoops but in fact is keeping you on track without having to get into all the overly complicated science behind why your body can use fat for fuel.

Steph;

This wasn't just a little weak, this was alot weak. I didn't feel that bad, since high school. That is why I am waiting to find out about if I am a type 1 diabetic or not. I was diagnosed back some 14 years ago, not drastically overweight, but just a little, always had some kind of blood sugar problems. I understand the diet may be able to help some type 1 diabetics to a degree, but he doesn't talk about them a whole lot. But that is why I am waiting. Does anyone know what happened to Dr. Rosedale's website?

No one seems to be able to tell what happened to Rosedale. Phone number is disconected. Web site closed. Did he get sued or something? I am conserned about his suggested heavy suppliment use. Does any one have an answer to why he would vanish?

I have been wondering also. Sure would like to find out. This is a real mystery.

just started the diet on sunday i feel great already other than not being able to sleep health food store says probably due to th number of vitamins. but my husband has been a little weak he is a type 1 diabetic and wefound that if he eats more nuts and adds a piece of fruit like an apple hes ok. the other alternative is gor him to eat a larger quanity of food and i would much rather him eat the fruits and nuts than larger quantity.

I've been wondering about his office closing, too. Hoping someone could shed light. But I too find his approach the BEST I have found in 30+ years of experimenting with food.

The majority seem to be losing weight like crazy. Mine is slower: two pounds the first week gained back by day 8. I slipped with a small amount of carbs, didn't think it was that much. I'm also working out, both cardio and weight. I do many of the supplements, but am working with an herbalist for another health matter so I'm taking a LOT of supplements. I'd been on the Schwartzbein Program for the last five months so it wasn't that big a change to shift to Rosedale. Any thoughts on that? I lost only 15 pounds in five months on Schwartzbein; an accomplishment, but hard to stay motivated at that rate. I was hoping, from having read your blogs, I'd lose more quickly on Rosedale.

Also, is there anyone who has boomeranged and gained back the weight and more from the Rosedale diet? Anyone had negative consequences to losing the weight so quickly? I've heard anything over two pounds a week could be dangerous.

I have wondered to about what Beth has said, is there any kind of boomerang effect going on here. I haven't heard long term positive effects of anyone yet. Some of the bloggers from over a year ago....nothing. I would think that some of the people would say something positive like this is the best diet ever. Everything seems to be short term. Sorry I can't be more positive, because the diet made me very weak after 5 days. But this isn't to say I am not going to try it again. Just can't afford the supplements. Good luck everyone!!!

One more question.....does anyone know if children should eat a diet like this? I don't know if I should be trying to get my children on a diet like this. Thank you.

We can't find Dr Rosedale. His office has disappeared and his phones have been disconnected. This is the 4th time! First, his clinic in North Carolina. Then the Colorado Center for Metabolic Medicine, then the International Center for Metabolic Medicine, then Rosedale Metabolics in Denver. I paid for 15 chelation treatments up front and now I'm stuck! Does anyone know where he his?
Delta Mike

A comment on another board said the the doc's patients were being taken over by a female doc, but nothing further about the web site, etc. I'll keep searching and see if I can get the new doc's name. nyKath

I purchased some suppliments online from these people on 1/17/06. It was for a suppliment called Pregnenolone 30mg X 2 bottles for the amount of $23.80 + $9.95 shipping for a total of $33.75. I waited 1 & 1/2 months for the shipment to arrive before contacting them. I checked and my credit card has been billed for it so I e-mailed them an inquiry. I got no response to my inquiry so I e-mailed them 2 more for a total of 3 over a couple of weeks period. I got no response to any of my e-mails. So I called them. When you call you can only get a voice mail so I left 2 separate voice mail inquiries giving full details (order number, product, name, etc.) and again received no response. Therefore, as I stated in one of my e-mails, since there was no response I can only conclude that I was PURPOSELY RIPPED OFF! That being the case I want to do everything I can to warn other consumers NOT to buy anything from their website.

Brian
Leonard, Texas
U.S.A.

This was some information on Rosedale on the web. Naturally I have been somewhat skeptical, because the guy is completely gone. Just passing this along, not trying to be negative....just skeptical. Sorry folks.

Steve, if you haven't yet, do read the posts on page 2 of this blog. There are at least three people who state they've been on the diet for several months to a few years with maintained loss (see Christine, Sandy, Carol, and on p.3, Suzi.) Also on page 2 are two posts with the name of the referred doctor, apparently a naturopath. I called the 720 number, sure it would be an office, just to see if it was still connected. Turned out it was her cell, she answered (9:30 on a Friday night - oops), gave me the office number (listed in the 2nd post) and was very gracious. Asked me to call back on Monday. She did say she's taking only Dr. R's "past and current patients," I think, sounding like she won't take new people. Still, she might have referrals if you're in the Denver/Boulder area.

Did you get your test results back yet? I'm glad you're working with someone. It can be scary to experiment when the results make you feel so whacked, particularly being diabetic.

I find it helpful to read everyone's posts - inspiring, and perhaps giving the best guidance we can get in a general way short of working with a practitioner. So thank you especially to those of you who've been on the program for a while and have experience with it. If anyone IS working with a doc who is familiar with Rosedale, wouldn't it be nice for that doc/practitioner to visit our blog and give us a few more specific answers! I'd also ask that those who do offer informed advice share with us your credentials - certified nutritionist, DC, ND, MD, experienced dieter? or simply very self-confident? We're each so individual...

Thanks Beth for the uplift. It is hard to sort through everything at once. But I will. I think once I find out my test results, then I may go back to trying the diet. Thanks again. I usually follow a pretty rigid diet anyways, being diabetic, fairly low in carbs.

Steve, About your weakness, I think I have figured some things out, and I'd like to retract some of the things I said earlier. What happened is I bought another book "Mastering Leptin", and read it all the way through. This book contains much more of the science behind leptin and insulin resistance, and gives more information than Rosedale's book. The eye opener in this book is that leptin levels can get too low, which makes your metabolism slow way down and you eventually stop losing weight and then go off the diet and gain it all back. This book also says that if you don't eat enough carbs, your muscles get very weak. I think that was happening to me, and maybe you too, Steve.

This book also says a big key to fat burning is no snacking at all, and nothing to eat after dinner. It explains how in the first 3 hours after a meal insulin carries your food where it is needed, and then after that glucogen in the liver kicks in, releases some stored sugar, and then begins to burn body fat. If you snack, you mess that up.

I would recommend everyone on the Rosedale diet go out and read "Mastering Leptin". It contains a lot of very important information that Rosedale leaves out. While I was doing the Rosedale diet, I felt the need to snack on nuts every couple of hours. Like Steve, I was also feeling a bit weak. Now, after reading Mastering Leptin and not snacking, I can easily go 5 or 6 hours between meals without snacking, and I have more energy, not less.

I had to add one more thing....the weight I lost in about 5 days on the Rosedale diet was 10 lbs. This was the reason I am waiting for my test results on type 1 or type 2 diabetes. Sorry about all of the posts.

Any more reports on Dr. Rosedale? Just wondering. Anyone quitting the Rosedale Diet yet? Thanks, just wanted to know.

Steve, if you're still there, I'm answering. Yes, I'm quitting Rosedale and going back to Schwartzbein. I've picked up the Mastering Leptin book (I don't share the other reader's enthusiasm about it, but that's another story) to try to understand leptin better. After asking my doc for the bloodwork on leptin, for which I'm gonig in about 3 minutes, I read in Mastering Leptin that bloodwork won't show whether leptin is actually working properly or not. It's a matter of function, not quantity, they say. Stiill, I'm interested.

Meanwhile, my reason for quitting Rosedale is that my cravings for carbs, originially almost completely eliminated after a week on Rosedale, came back with a vengence after three weeks. In my one month trial I lost two pounds first week, gained them back the second (on very little carbs), lost and gained those same two pounds a few times more. Today I'm back at net loss, five weeks later, but I've also returned to the Schwartzbein program. I'd recommend you at least check it out. It was published in 2004, and addresses many of the same health issues of diabetes, cardiovascular, and so on.

Given that I am also dealing with a pancreatic cyst, I think that might have something to do with why I'm losing more slowly than others, but I'm hoping the blood work will shed some light on it.

How's it going for you? I'll check back.

Beth;

Thanks for the feedback. I truly believe that a person needs some carbs....even a little sneaky ice cream. But with me, and many other type 1 diabetics, I am still finding out if am, but more and more it leans in this direction, get weak. I noticed that another person got pretty weak, and needed more food, or more fruit. As for cravings for carbs, never really had a craving, I usually just eat a good balanced diet, leaning more towards higher protein. But I do believe that overall this diet places more emphasis for type 2 diabetics, than type 1. Also, I am still curious if they think children should eat like this. Any thoughts on this. Still though...I think this is a real winner of a diet for type 2 diabetics overall. I emailed Scott who was on this diet and had many blogs, and he said he went off of it because of asthma getting worse. Now I thought that when people are on this diet their asthma could potentially get better. But over all he gives the diet good grades, but I he said he went off the diet for a period of time because his dr.'s gave him his old diet back. Any way, until I get more definitive test results back, then I will wait. Because I was never really vastly overweight, and because when I went on insulin I lost about 18 lbs. I need to further research what works best. Thanks again, sorry everyone for the long story line.

Beth;

I do hope you find out everything on your blood tests too. Good luck with that!!

I'd like to alter my thoughts on the Mastering Leptin book. It took me a while to get into it, but I've read much more of it now and have to say I find it very compelling.

Steve, I know nothing about diabetes, type I or II, so I can't speak to your concerns about that. But I can recommend the Mastering Leptin book, because it is very informative about many health issues, and gives interesting guidelines to eating. The Five Rules, as mentioned above by another blogger, are straightforward and easy enough to follow, with one exception for me. That's about not snacking, and eating only three times per day. The author says it's imperative to do this to rebuild proper leptin functioning, or at least to work toward it. I've been trained to eat several small meals a day, but it's not just about habit-breaking.

The author also says that if it's difficult to go 5-6 hours between meals without going into cravings or low blood sugar, that's an indication that metabolism is off. So I'm trying it out.

Overall I think the book is very worthwhile. The first few chapters are frustrating because it's not until the second part of the book that it really gets into what to do.

Hope you find out soon about what's going on for you. What I like the most about this book is that it gives several explanations for why we get stalled in losing weight, which has been my issue.

Because Mastering Leptin advocates eating less often, I'm shifting to trying this out for a month or so. This is the biggest difference between the Leptin diet and the Schwartzbein program.

Good luck to you.

I am the one who recommended the Mastering Leptin book, and I wanted to check back in and tell you that I have been following the 5 rules for about a month now, have lost about 7 pounds, and really like it. I would have lost more, but for about a week I was apparently low on Omega 3 fatty acids, and so weight loss came to a screeching halt. I added Carlson's cod liver oil into my diet to get the Omega 3's, and got a real boost.

One thing that Mastering Leptin emphasizes over and over is you can't let your body go into starvation or hibernation mode during a diet - which happens when your leptin levels get too low. Rosedale sort of says the opposite - that low leptin is much better. Mastering Leptin says its all about your brain "hearing" leptin - not about trying to get the levels ultra low. I think Rosedale does not have all the facts.

Steve, I doubt you are a type 1 diabetic - you would probably be in a coma by this point if that were so. I have had several family members and friends become type 1 diabetics and I've watched how they presented and were diagnosed. But it's good to go to your doctor and get blood work to make sure you're okay. Good luck.

One thing I'd like to add about my progress with Mastering Leptin. Even though I have only lost 7 pounds, it feels like much more, for some reason. It could be that I am losing pure fat, not fat plus muscle, as Rosedale says happens with most diets. That is my guess.