The Shangri La Diet
The Shangri La Diet is absurd, ridiculous, and remarkable. It is quite simply one of the most unusual weight loss books ever written. Author Seth Roberts presents his radical ideas without melodrama or hype, and comes up with a weight loss diet that is both controversial and intriguing.
The technique is simple:
- Consume 100-400 calories of sugar water and/or flavorless edible oil daily.
- Consume the sugar water and/or oil before or well after meals - at least an hour away.
The sugar water (a mix of white sugar and water) should be consumed slowly (over half an hour). Sugar water is flavorless despite being sweet (unlike soft drinks that have flavors added). For the oil - Extra-Light Olive oil is recommended due to its lack of flavor.
That's it.
No calorie counting, no recipes, no forbidden or restricted foods, no meal plans, and no deprivation.
Set Point
Roberts believes that weight is regulated by a system with a 'set point'. If your weight is below your set point, then you will feel hungrier - and it will take more food for you to feel full.It is possible to change your set point, and the basis of the Shangri La Diet is that set point can be lowered by eating a food that has little or no flavor - but still has calories.
Right about now your jaw will be hanging open like a fish gasping for water. The Shangri-La seems so farcical that any straight-thinking nutritionist might even dismiss it as a hoax.
Science?
The book explains - in some detail - the science and reasoning behind the diet, the authors own experiments, and various testimonies. The whole diet does in fact have the feel of an unfinished experiment.Weight loss occurs because appetites are lowered, and the dieter is eating less. This book isn't about building muscle and attaining 8% body fat - but simply about eating less and losing weight. What's different to other diets is that the eating less is incidental.
A Bizarre Fad?
It's bizarre, and it's strange... but... I have an inkling that Seth Roberts just might be onto something.The Shangri-La Diet is most certainly a paradigm-shifter of epic proportions. When our paradigms are challenged, we all too often respond with our own familiar dogma.
Roberts ideas deserve closer attention - but they must not be allowed to turn into a quick-fix mass-market fad diet. When this occurs uninformed people can embark on foolish dietary regimes without batting an eyelid. Roberts is an experimenter - and the diet must be viewed as such - one person's experiments and ideas.
This is not a recommendation. The diet leaves some questions unanswered - it focuses solely on weight loss. What about the effect on metabolism or other health issues such as triglycerides or LDL cholesterol? How about diabetes?
The Shangri-La Diet, by Seth Roberts PhD (available at Amazon - 194 pages Hardback)
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Created / Updated: November 9, 2011
This reminds me of the reasoning behind why people gain weight when they drink diet soda. Since it has zero calories and therefore no energy value to the body it does not satisfy hunger the way a sugary drink can.
I am still not going to jump on the Shangri-La bandwagon.
ReplyThis also doesn't take into consideration those people who overeat due to stress or boredom, even if they feel full.
ReplyDrink sugarwater and olive oil? Yuk! I drank castor oil before to induce my labor and I almost threw up and that was mixed with orange juice! Drinking any oil just makes one want to gag!
ReplyNicole, the trick in getting oil down is to pour lemon juice first, then oil (which will sit on top), then quickly add a top layer of lemon and drink it down before the oil gets a chance to sit on top. You won't notice the oil as much because it'll be in the middle, like a sandwich.
Replygerry, lemon juice is "tasty" and I thought you were not supposed to taste any flavors in your two-hour window. Did you get this trick from the book or make it up on your own? Have you been doing this for long and have you still experienced the decreased appetite the diet promises?
ReplyI, too, hate swallowing the oil. I've tried it plain and in water and it makes me feel really nauseated. I have been trying filling some empty tastleless cellulose capsules with the oil (12 capsules=about one tablespoon of oil). No nausea. I've only been doing it for a couple days, though, so I can't speak for whether it produces the desired result. Has anyone else tried capsules? Did you have decreased appetite and weight loss? Since the oil doesn't touch your tongue, could you use EVOO or walnut oil or some other oil?
This reminds me of the anoretics I used to know who would drink apple cider vinegar every day because they were convinced it speeded up their metabolisms. Sad, really.
ReplySLD is not about "speeding up the metabolism." The intake of flavorless calories in the form of oil or sugar water acts as an appetite suppressant. It's an interest "hack" of the hunger system in the body,
ReplyMegan: On page 83 - Roberts answers that very question: "I think the jury is out on whether the diet reduces eating that's due to frustration or stress"...
ReplyI remember I had to drink a tablespoon of olive oil (extra virgin) every morning because I did not get enough fat in my diet.
ReplyAnd every morning I almost threw up, then proceeded to chase it down with TONS of water. Not a big sugar fan either. I can't see myself or even imagine having to drink either of those on such a regular basis. ick.
Extra light olive oil is also labled extra light tasting olive oil. The book says it's the opposite in terms of amount of taste to extra virgion olive oil. I think the trick to this diet is that health surveys are not as important if one is not doing anything that has a lot of potential for doing any harm. :-)
ReplyDrinking oil would definitely make me puke. I, like Yan, have to consume some pure fat in my diet every day because I'm trying to gain a little weight. I prefer it in the form of an olive oil viniagrette, NOT straight up. That is just icky sounding. I guess I would have a smaller appetite if I had to drink oil and sugar water before eating. It's just not appetizing. :P
ReplyMy my my... aren't we the negative bunch? Reminds me of something I read recently. What was it? Oh yeah -- "When our paradigms are challenged, we all too often respond with our own familiar dogma." And that goes double for you James.
I'll grant you all that there are many many charlatans out there passing off idiocy as a diet, so that's probably why you're all so suspicious and incredulous. But, you know, sometimes there are new ideas that work. I lost 15 pounds on this diet, and I know others who've lost twice that. It's not a magic bullet -- it's a useful tool to help quell appetite. And there's science behind it -- the author is a PhD professor at Berkeley for crying out loud. He's not some real estate salesman who took a correspondence course in nutrition. So don't judge too quickly. And if, like so many millions of dangerously overweight Americans, you need to lose weight, you might want to give it a whirl.
And honestly, the extra light olive oil isn't "icky" at all. It has no taste. But if you can't stand the thought of it, try the sugar or fructose water. And if it works for you -- pass it on.
ReplyThank you for having some faith. But the question that boggles my mind is ...is downing all that olive oil really good for you or can it have any type of side effect?
ReplyBRAVO, I also believe that so many of us are trained by the producers of low-fat; low-calorie food - that we must eat this crap to lose weight. I've been on this diet for a little over a week and I have noticed a significant reduction in appetite and I have lost a few pounds already. I believe it does help curb emotional eating as well, as most of my bad eating habits are as a result of my emotions. I've noticed that will the oil/sugar water consumption I don't have cravings, I don't have thoughts of food - sometimes my thoughts were of my lack of thinking about food ... I should be hungry right now, I should want food, and I don't ... kindof thing. I have noticed that when I want food, not really from hunger, but I think this is really the body talking to me about what it needs, I want healthy food --- I've been craving brown rice for a few days now ... haven't been home to actually make it yet. There is science behind this diet there really is, and it makes sense to me ... and I've noticed a difference in my behavior ... so I'm going to stick with it because it's easy to do and it really seems to work for me.
If you want to drop pounds, what is the harm, give it a try --- its MUCH cheaper than other diets!
And if you think you are an emotional eater, go ahead, give it a try, I'm not saying it will work for you, but honestly - it's only oil or sugar water - its really not that horribe. The trick is really in the timing of when you eat it (your mouth has to be free from ANY and ALL tastes EVEN TOOTHPASTE for an hour before you consume and an hour after). THIS IS CRITICAL! You need to drink the oil with a clean palatte and keep it clear for another hour BEFORE you put anything in your mouth - even coffee --- oh ... you can drink water. That is it!
ReplyI totally agree. Until you've tried something, don't judge it, and if like me you've tried ALL kinds of other diets, including Atkins, what can it hurt to TRY it?
Today is my 4th day doing the ELOO, and I've lost 4 lbs already. Not only that, I have enormous amounts of energy, which I didn't have before. I have also lost my craving for alcohol, and I used to drink at least 3 times a week. I feel so much better, than I did before I started this. I am so happy that I found this. There's no food that is "forbidden", and like you said, I crave healthier stuff!
It can't be too wrong if everything that's happening is positive!!
ReplyI agree totally, if you have not tried it, you can't analyze it. Please let me know if you have lost more weight on this diet. Stay Positive, and keep up the good work. You can do it.
Open Mind, I like to know more about your experiences with this diet. Thanks
ReplyThe results appear to speak for there self. May not be backed by double blind trials etc but the underpinning logic seems reasonable. The learned bodies of the day had difficulty in taking on board for example, more effective management of polio contractions or treatement of gastric ulcer by antibiotices rather than surgery because they were counter intuitive and too simple, although they worked. Both treatement have since become standard practice. This diet aids weight reduction which must be desirable for overweight people, is simple, cheap, harmless and encourages normal healthy eating. Don't knock it. Try it and if it's for you then OK.
ReplySpectra: Sadly, my so called "nutritionist" insisted that I take the oil straight up. But your version sounds so much better.
ReplyOpen Mind: I do agree with your name.
I think most of us are just tired of the endless diet tirade coming our way. It seems these days, as though everyone has some kind of qualification be making dietary claims, and yet most of the time it's a bunch of well publicised, well packaged and unwound BS. I personally, don't know if it works or not (other than your example) and am fine with my current diet... more or less. Also, I don't deny that it is a very fascinating idea/discovery, but still think it pays to be a little skeptical.
I don't think it's fair to call this a fad diet. It's wierd. It goes against everything we've been taught - but the fact remains that it doesn't require you to buy into any product. You don't have to spend any money at all, in fact. I borrowed the book from the library.
I've been monitoring my weight for a six months and after a week of drinking a tbsp of oil and sugar a day (even skipping a day) I gleaned a new minimum weight for my record.
I'd be skeptical if there were anything to buy. But c'mon - give it a shot. You've got nothing to lose.
Replycongradulations on your weightloss.I just started.
Replythis is my second day.would you consider sharing
ideas that have worked for you,and maybe even
certain foods you've used?thank you/good luck to all
Lynda
Well, I lost 10 lbs last year in about three months before I quit drinking the oil. I don't think it is magic and I don't think it has any more scientific reason behind it other than if blunts the appetite. It also makes you a bit more aware of what you are eating throughout the day and i think that helps a lot. It took about three days to feel full most of the time and about a week to start losing. I didn't have a lot to lose, 10 lbs was perfect. I have since gained about half that back, mostly over the holidays since Thanksgiving, and started the oil the day after Christmas. One lb loss since Dec 26. Sometimes I just don't want to over-think things. Good luck to all!
ReplyIronically I know many people who scoff flax oil, UDO's, etc by the tablespoon...
ReplyAnother BS diet book – desperate lazy people will buy anything that gives them the hope of weight loss without effort.
It is not surprising that at least two of the seven deadly sins, gluttony and sloth, lead to weight gain.
Somehow I don’t think guzzling sugar water is an effective weight loss or antiaging medicine strategy.
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ReplyDesperate lazy person who has no interest in thinking about anything outside of his immediate comfort zone. Get over yourself.
ReplyOne thing I'd note is that this diet is extremely easy and cheap.
You can use either sugar (which you probably have around the house) or olive oil (extra light) -- or you can buy five dollars worth of it at SAMS or COSTCO, which will last you five or six months.
In five months I've lost 47 pounds (as of this morning) on the method (it is more of a method than a diet).
Try one disciplined week of the diet. Drink three tablespoons of sugar in a cup of water every morning at ten o'clock (with no other food or flavors, including mints, diet drinks or chewing tobacco) from 9:00 to 11:00 and two tablespoons of olive oil at 2:30 (with the same no food or flavors from 1:00 to 4:00) and see what has happened after a week.
If it works, keep it up for another week.
It isn't as if it costs much money, takes much time or is that difficult to try.
Simple enough to try it and see what happens.
ReplyHow many times do you drink this a day and how much do you take??
ReplyThanks for the information
ReplyMegan: I was a terrific boredom muncher. After the 1st 2 or 3 days using this system, I noticed an absence in my munching. It has little or no control over me now. I have been on the plan for about 2 mos and I am down 25 lbs. I mostly use the fructose water, but when I am in a rush I use organic canola oil. This has no taste and I just wash it down w/water.
Folks, give it an honest try for 1 week. It's amazing the decrease in appetite you'll have. :-)
ReplyI can relate to this. I use heavy cream in two or three cups of coffee a day. I get full on much less food. Maybe it does not matter what the fat is. One could read this book and experiment with other fats. I've tried virgin coconut oil straight. It tastes pretty good.
ReplyYou know, seriously. If you replace any meal with simply sugar water or a tablespoon of something of any kind OF COURSE you are going to lose weight. But what are you doing to your body?! I am a recovering anorexic, it is difficult. Before I started starving I tried these kinds of diets (then I thought the weight loss was not enough)
ReplyYou've got to eat sensibly and exercise. (even if it is just a walk/stroll around the block) I understand this and I am learning to practice it. I am hoping that eventually I will be able to eat normally with out the continuous verse that traces through my mind, calling myself the worst of names.
You're not replacing a whole meal with some oil. You're taking oil in addition to your normal diet. The way it works is by making you less hungry, so you're less likely to eat as much as you normally would. It's not actually a diet. It's just help. Much like an appetite suppressant. Plus, you're supposed to get a few hundred calories of fat a day from this.
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